\centerline{\bf BCS-EP Meeting, November 26th, 1988} \medskip \noindent Entitled `Desk Top Publishing -- The Reality!', this meeting promised much. The reality of course was publishing reality --- remember printing presses and all that sort of stuff? Most of the speakers had been involved with the printing and publishing industry for some years, and were therefore able to offer a more sober view than the usual `gee-whizz, sooper, what's kerning?' picture that you might pick up from glossy brochures and trade exhibitions. Paul Luna of Oxford University Press argued that electronic manuscripts could lead to a premature fixing of form, especially as authors moved more and more into the areas usually reserved for the publisher. The safety net that the publisher traditionally holds beneath authors was disappearing. He also discussed the problems of resolution. In some projects laser printing is acceptable, but there are many cases where visual cueing is an important factor, and higher quality is required. He also noted that typefaces are not always identical on different devices. Pierre Macke of the Cotswold Press described himself as a `jobbing printer'. He noted the problem of upgrades and software compatibility. Cotswold Press will take disks from many varieties of electronic processing (and many types of hardware) and typeset the content. Not everyone follows new releases of software slavishly (after all, they have work to do), so Macke can be handling (say) PageMaker disks over several different versions of PageMaker. Not all upgrades are upwards compatible, and this means that Cotswold Press must have the corresponding version of the software to ensure that the file will print as the customer expects. And of course, the customer must know which version of the software he was using. He also made the valuable point that many dtp packages are complex, and that learning could be the single biggest expense for a customer. Another reason why the clients don't keep abreast of upgrades. In terms of upgrades and new releases he stated that ``Aldus are the biggest culprits for denying things''. Adobe, on the other hand get the Macke seal of approval, always giving a response within 48 hours. (Perhaps Cotswold Press's reputation helps there, they don't even reply to my letters.) Peter Ferris of John Wiley's cautioned us that despite the rise of dtp, authors have still not abandoned the typewriter. He also noted the multiplicity of hardware and software that is around, posing certain problems of data transfer. Many authors wanted to become more involved in aspects of book production, but he considered this a rather expensive approach. The advantages of dtp to a publisher included the fast turnaround of proofs, but there were also threats from dtp, like the demands for better royalties, and rather different ideas on quality. He still thought that the savings on cost and publication time were somewhat in the future, especially when line drawings were considered, and in the whole area of technical publishing. Michael Bywater of Punch described a rather different publishing viewpoint. Punch uses (a rather old version of) PageMaker for page layout. Clearly magazine layout and make up is rather different in concept from book production. One of the advantages he saw was the ability to ensure that copy exactly fitted the available space --- and letting the author decide what should be cut or added, rather than the copy-editor. He declared that laser printing was not good enough for camera ready copy (again the problem of drawings\slash cartoons and halftones arises). One of his favourite words was ``crufty'', which isn't in my dictionary, but I take to be slighting or perjorative. Perhaps I should start reading Punch. Peter Hammersley edits {\it The Computer Journal\/}. He saw some differences between his r\^ole in `scholarly' publishing and the mainstream. Among the differences were the fact that he was dealing with a specialist subject where the publisher had very direct access to his authors; there was also a vested interest in experimentation; partly related to this was access to equipment on a research basis (like academic networks); there was also a willingness to consider multiple outlets, like paper, softstrip, cd-rom and on-line access; the marketing network was less critical; he also felt that this sort of publishing was more on the side of the author. As an editor he also saw himself as an interface between the author and the publisher (the {\sc BCS}), promoting new types of publication, advising on document preparation, and maintaining standards (on behalf of both parties). On this aspect of quality, he suggested that dtp had done for writing what {\sc basic} had done for programming (read that how you will). Lastly he outlined some of the reasons for pursuing the ep/dtp route. Inevitably cost reduction was one reason; here it was possible to quote the savings which ensued from typesetting rather than typewriting (say) conference proceedings. The savings permitted more papers to be printed for the same amount of paper. The improvement in the quality of presentation also helped sales, sometimes turning uneconomic projects into economic ones. There was elimination of rekeying errors (a particular problem with technical material). On-line refereeing was possible, and again, should speed up the publication process, making the product more timely, and therefore more desirable. This could also mean that conference proceedings appeared much closer to the conference. However Peter did note that all was not light: authors consistently ignore instructions from the publisher. The editor ends up having to collect machine readable documents, which of course presents a whole host of problems. He looked to a time when there would be {\sc sgml}-based editors and a document type definition which could be used to aid manuscript submission. Paper is not going to go away, but other forms of `documents' will become established. He particularly noted depositories, accessible over academic networks. There was one further paper, from Jeremy Sparkes of Baddeley Associates, but I couldn't stay for it. It was a relief to see the extent to which the new technology was being taken seriously by some parts of the printing and publishing industry. It became clear that `cost saving' was not as inevitable as the vendors of dtp software would have us believe, and of course it was emphasised that it was very easy to have your dustbin overflowing with high quality (but poorly designed) publications. One other point which was stressed was the frequency with which new versions of software appeared with some new features added, some taken away, a few bugs removed, a few left in, and a few new ones added. It was often better to live with old, friendly, known bugs than commit to something that might be marginally better. The new might solve all the known problems, but it had to be learned anew. \rightline{\sl Malcolm W. Clark}